Interview Date: 19th July, 2024
[The interview was conducted in Hong Kong Cantonese. Transcript in English translation is provided.]
C: Clara Cheung, G: Gum Cheng, J: John Lau
| I. | J: | In a mass movement, there’s this concept called ‘de-individuation,’ meaning you lose your personal identity and belong to the crowd, naturally following the group’s commands. And who gives those commands? Probably whoever shouts the loudest. At that moment, for example, if someone yells, ‘Everybody throw stones!’—just like in Leeds last night—then everyone starts throwing stones. Or if they shout, ‘Retreat!’ you follow them. There’s someone behind you directing your movements. That’s de-individuation. No matter what you’re like in normal life, once you’re part of that crowd, you’re involved in the collective. It’s not hard to understand. You get there, you hear someone commanding—often a young person, who might push it to extremes—and you just go along with it. |
| I. | J: | 因爲在群衆運動裏面呢，是叫什麼deindividualisation，就是你是沒有了自己的身份的嘛，你是屬於這個群眾的嘛。那你自然會服從這個群眾的指示。那個指示哪裏來的？誰喊得大聲你就服從他啦。在那一刻其實... 真的，就是叫大家一起扔石，就像昨晚Leeds那樣，那所有人就跟著扔的了。大家一起說，走、走，你就跟著那步伐怎麼走嘛，就走... 有人在後面指導你的步伐怎麽走的，就走。所以在那一刻其實是一個去過性化的... 就是這個平時個人是怎樣也好，去到那一刻，你就是屬於這個群體裡面，是集體... 集體這個群體的行為來的。所以這個... 這個不難解釋的，就是去到那裡，那我們現在聽一些commander… commander是年輕的那些人， |
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